topic request from mark
just some discussion that has been happening recently about disagreeing on the way the voting system is ran.
some of the community have said they prefer if the voting system was the same as the world team battle one

leave your thoughts and opinions here.

my opinion to back up the different solutions.
i have a feeling that some of the voters just select there top 5/6 whatever, maybe more or less and leave the rest of the entries in default position, meaning when you vote the bottom entry will come last, more or likely unless its like an awesome entry.
however if it is changed to wtb style voting, people would be writing down about 20/25 names, even the honda s2000 comp had 38 entries so who would want to write down 38 names ?
im not sure if it can be solved and my only idea would be to do wtb style voting but only vote for say the top 15 so anyone in 16/17/18th place etc wouldnt score any points unless they all got a default 10 points for entering but that would mean rc's hard work of the leaderboard would needing redoing

Oh c'mon,its just a couple of minutes

I agree with that.Or Top 10.

Thanks for putting this topic up Zero.

My idea is this: what if it showed you what each person voted, instead of it being anonymous?. Maybe that would make people be more accountable for their votes they place. Just like we've done for the thread rating/star system.

The question is - should it reveal the votes, during the voting, or only reveal them once the voting has ended and the comp results announced?

Is this a good idea at all?

One thing I do realize is it can be a pain in the a** to judge and vote on the big comps.. that can mean having to sift through like 30ppl and arrange them all in order in some comps.. but that's the way it goes, and to be fair everybody should do that if they want to vote. But unfortunately it's not a perfect world, and not everybody puts in the same time and care into voting for all the entries, they may be in a rush and only can be bothered to vote on the top 10 like Zero said..

Admins, do go through and cross-check each vote that comes in. We have to approve/deny each one. We go through IP's check to see that the voter has enough forum posts, and hasn't just registered that day etc... But as for what they actually vote for - this is their personal opinion - this is what the vote is all about so we can't decide for them the actual rankings they give each entry - that's up to them. So what I'm saying is if they vote for some chop, that maybe I myself wouldn't put in first place for example.. we can't really do anything about that, that's their choice. We can however enforce and do our best to double check all votes to ensure that they meet all other requirements though.

Let's good a good discussion going here. I know a lot of people enter in and like competing in the tournaments/comps so there should be a fair few people who want to have their say on the matter here.

-MK

I suppose that one way to have some improvement is:

- don't allow to users to vote their chops (so for example Mr. X can't vote for himself)
- don't allow to users to vote for people of the same country (like WTB)
- all people that have submitted a chop for the comp can't vote
- don't accept chops that are the same of the base image (looking at KGC10 at 12th place there is a chop... so I can't see any mod in this one)

I think the best way for voting is as someone mentioned before to decide for 10 or 15(considering number of entries) best chops in thread opened in competition subforum so that everyone can see who voted and how, or if admins can do that by voting in old way that's fine with me and it should reveal votes after the voting and after admins look through votes and see if everything is ok

those who entered shouldn't vote in that round because is stupid to vote for yourself...

i've noticed a fair bit of this, especially towards the bottom end, where the results don't really seem all that fair

If i'm totally honest, dragging around the boxes for a large number of chops is a little irritating, and I can't imagine what it would be like on a laggy pc.
The wtb voting however, is not as efficient, so somewhere halfway may work well.

But it's a tough one. Maybe if the chops were not spread out so far down the page, and were perhaps viewed in more of a grid with chops going from left to right as well, it would make manouvering the chops so much more easy.

@atc- i dont think its the lagging maneuvering or how far down the page of the boxes which is the problem as i said i think its more to people being bothered to move them all

Personally I'd like something similar as I suggested for regular thread ratings. Either allow people to rate based on certain criteria, like;
Brush/c+p quality <0-10>
Style <0-10>
Originality <0-10>

Just to name some quick options. The site could automatically sort based on rating. What you have in the current situation is the expectation that in a comp with 25 entries, a voter looks at those entries, remembers them all and arranges them based on quality. That's an unfair expectation. Considering you'll have like 3 or 4 chops fresh in memory at most, you can only sort them 4 by 4. I dont need to explain to the mathgeeks how many instances of "sorting" you can theoretically go through before you reach the final rankings. I make an assumption when I say the last 10 or so in a comp with 25 entries are in no particular order because by then people stopped giving a damn.

It is better to leave the ranking to objective criteria, so every chop can be judged on its own merits and not necessarily on how it compares to others.

Think it's more ideal for the contestants aswell. You'd rather see you got second place by 0.1 rating points rather than be #2 out of 6 or so in a comp with poor representation.

Not to mention that such a system would add a feedback element. Even the best choppers must accept that they still have much to learn.

yeh... because we have to move them.
if i want to move one from the bottom to the top it's a lot of effort.

I know from personal experience - i simply can't be bothered. I do, because I don't like to see unfair votes, but others won't

construct's idea may work - the winner will be the chopper with the highest average rating.