can I ask to see pics of anyones chop just before they start reflections just for reference of how far you go before brushing refs thanks

Basically I atleast just brush them. Like piece by piece. Unlike some people who use much time to brush a block of color and then mod it. I just draw it on.

Some helps from here:

http://www.autemo.com/forums/?t=6960

think that's where I'm going wrong I end up brushing a matte car nearly and then lost as to adding refs but basically I should be brushing the refs as I go instead of just the basic shape?

yeah unfortunately a lot of the images are gone but still few good tutorials on it thanks

found this really helpful for studio refs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4uJpHaHZTc

There are many different ways to do it, but yes that is how I do it. Though that requires the basic knowledge on what to do. Look for reference pics aswell.