So that would be hard i guess.
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But who's going to be in the judging panel?
Because we are going to need people who are not entering, who have been in the chopping scene for years and not bias to teams.
Because we are going to need people who are not entering, who have been in the chopping scene for years and not bias to teams.
I'm not planning on entering this year...
Too much stress
.. and not enough time...I'd be happy to help
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ATC Design wrote:
Too much stress .. and not enough time...
.. and not enough time...Learn to manage time better and get chopping Atc lol!
I was doing less then 5 hours sleep a day for a week for wtb 2010
I Had high expectations from team England, so basically what Rc said
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So WTB sucks without You guys
I'll start a discussion with the other admins and see who they think is a good person for the judge panel.
then I'll Pm the nominees
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and you'll need a judge panel to choose the judge panel for choosing judges too 
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You shouldn't worry about finding judges who aren't entering. If they are entering, ensure they don't vote for their own chop and just give them the average of the other's votes as usual (this is already built into that spreadsheet I made anyway). That'll make it easier to find enough judges.
And what happened to all of the discussion about a 50/50 voting system that we had going before? That seems to have been thrown out the window. Why not change it so that all of the rounds are decided by a 50/50 judge/public vote. All that would be required in REC's plan would be to add a week or two between rounds one and two of the Eliminations.
And I still have the opinion that there are too many H2H rounds. The main problem I see is the fact that there will be inevitable withdrawals even at a late stage in the competition, so we'll get a lot of victories by default. Instead of that, after the top 40 are decided why don't we break down the teams into 5 divisions of 8, and users will have to select the top 3 teams to progress. We then have 15 teams remaining, so 3 divisions of 5 will do. Of these, only the top two progress, so we're down to the final 6. They then complete another chop and the community then chooses the top 3 chops, and there is a final round round to determine the position on the podium of each team.
I propose this idea, really because I think last minute withdrawals are inevitable and so many head to head rounds could pose a problem. I know there were a lot of teams last year (ours included) who either didn't complete a chop or completed a below standard chop and got kicked out of the competition. So I think that having the rounds like this will ensure that there aren't as many walkover wins in the final rounds.
Any others want to make amendments to either REC's or my plan?
And what happened to all of the discussion about a 50/50 voting system that we had going before? That seems to have been thrown out the window. Why not change it so that all of the rounds are decided by a 50/50 judge/public vote. All that would be required in REC's plan would be to add a week or two between rounds one and two of the Eliminations.
And I still have the opinion that there are too many H2H rounds. The main problem I see is the fact that there will be inevitable withdrawals even at a late stage in the competition, so we'll get a lot of victories by default. Instead of that, after the top 40 are decided why don't we break down the teams into 5 divisions of 8, and users will have to select the top 3 teams to progress. We then have 15 teams remaining, so 3 divisions of 5 will do. Of these, only the top two progress, so we're down to the final 6. They then complete another chop and the community then chooses the top 3 chops, and there is a final round round to determine the position on the podium of each team.
I propose this idea, really because I think last minute withdrawals are inevitable and so many head to head rounds could pose a problem. I know there were a lot of teams last year (ours included) who either didn't complete a chop or completed a below standard chop and got kicked out of the competition. So I think that having the rounds like this will ensure that there aren't as many walkover wins in the final rounds.
Any others want to make amendments to either REC's or my plan?
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Its a good idea man... I also like yours, I would just go for something different this year.
My hole idea was to give the WTB a bit more of respect. This is a forum and users are very very important here, but i think the first stage of the comp needs to have a judge panel. That way we ensure all the teams have a really super high level.
Think this: Elite artist usually have more experience and a better eye for errors and mistakes, New Choppers dont. There are more New Choppers than Elite artist in the forum, and more "New Choppers & Inter" than "Adv & Elite". So if we only give Elites the chance to vote. Im sure they will select better works than the hole forum.
The idea is to have a Judges panel with only the best Elite artists.
After this we can let the users select one team from the groups, but keep the judges to select another one! Again we ensure the Elites are going to select the higher teams.
Finally. Theres no way we could have a low level team in the H2H stage. So why dont we let the users vote the most incredible chop for them? Judges can go to sleep or have fun in their swimming pools, we wont need them any more.
About the H2H and the withdrawals. I try to introduce the H2H to make more interesting the comp and have less withdrawals. But you are right about that, we must have a plan B for the withdrawals. Anyway, both ideas will have withdrawals so i think this problem would be same what ever thing we decide.
There gonna be 8 H2H in the first part of this stage, after that only 4, then 2 and we will end with a final H2H with the best two teams. In my opinion, its not too much. But we can work that and perhaps make 2 rounds of the group stage to reduce the amount of H2Hs.
Anyway, I will think all your ideas and see if i can change something.
Lets keep the discussion and see what the other think, i wouldnt like to hurry up everything and have a bad comp... All ideas welcome...
My hole idea was to give the WTB a bit more of respect. This is a forum and users are very very important here, but i think the first stage of the comp needs to have a judge panel. That way we ensure all the teams have a really super high level.
Think this: Elite artist usually have more experience and a better eye for errors and mistakes, New Choppers dont. There are more New Choppers than Elite artist in the forum, and more "New Choppers & Inter" than "Adv & Elite". So if we only give Elites the chance to vote. Im sure they will select better works than the hole forum.
The idea is to have a Judges panel with only the best Elite artists.
After this we can let the users select one team from the groups, but keep the judges to select another one! Again we ensure the Elites are going to select the higher teams.
Finally. Theres no way we could have a low level team in the H2H stage. So why dont we let the users vote the most incredible chop for them? Judges can go to sleep or have fun in their swimming pools, we wont need them any more.
About the H2H and the withdrawals. I try to introduce the H2H to make more interesting the comp and have less withdrawals. But you are right about that, we must have a plan B for the withdrawals. Anyway, both ideas will have withdrawals so i think this problem would be same what ever thing we decide.
There gonna be 8 H2H in the first part of this stage, after that only 4, then 2 and we will end with a final H2H with the best two teams. In my opinion, its not too much. But we can work that and perhaps make 2 rounds of the group stage to reduce the amount of H2Hs.
Anyway, I will think all your ideas and see if i can change something.
Lets keep the discussion and see what the other think, i wouldnt like to hurry up everything and have a bad comp... All ideas welcome...