If this kind of situation didn't get worse, then nevermind. Hope that everyone could really votes and comments fairly.

all we need is clarity in how we should vote!!

For instance - if we vote on a novice chop - surely the highest we can give is a 2? If it's based on all chops as a whole.

I think the problem is people vote in different ways. Are we supposed to vote within each division so - 10/10 in novice means high end novice, and 10/10 in elite means high end elite, or is it all universal? 2/10 means high end novice, 4/10 high end inter etc etc?

That could possibly be where the confusion lies and some of the discrepancies during voting.

joseph stop spamming pirates topic with the wrong shizzle
spam mine which is for your topic

the voting system isn't clear enough but people votes based on the section like new - elite can get 10 points.

In response to Andy:

I usually vote on a forum-to-forum basis. For example, a 9 in New Choppers is probably a 7 in Inter, a 5 in Pro Tuner, a 3 in Advanced and so on. It seems like a lot of people don't do this as the ratings on New and Intermediate choppers are a lot lower than those on Pro Tuner, Advanced and Elite chops.
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Not that it's a big deal or anything, but if you wanted to get a consistent and fair voting system, so that the Global ranking system points actually mean something and aren't just a gimmick, you could go down three paths in my opinion:

Remove it from the GRS system - kinda pointless since you've done a great job in making it
Have some sort of pop-up when you vote explaining how to vote - for example explaining that a 9 or 10 should be given for the best chops in this sub-forum (those deserving promotion) and not necessarily the best chops on Autemo (and make it so it's not so intrusive e.g. a "Don't show this again" check-box if you already know how to vote)
Weight the votes on forums accordingly - for example take a sample of a fair number of chops from each sub-forum and average the score given to each chop. If you wanted a voting system so that the ratings in each forum are consistent (i.e. an excellent chop in Elite is given a 9 and an excellent chop in New Choppers is also given a 9) then you could take the average score given to New Choppers (let's say 6.5) divide it by the average score for Elite artists (say 9, which = 0.722) and then divide the score for what the New Chopper got on their chop (let's say 6) by this "weighting" to calculate a weighted score, so 6÷0.722 = 8.31. One benefit of this is that it would require no changes to the way people vote and wouldn't bother anyone. It would be best if the forum didn't show the weighted average otherwise people might get a little confused, but it could be used as a direct input into the GRS points system to make it fair.

*rant nearly over*

One last thing I'm a little concerned over is the Average rating that appears on peoples profiles. The problem is they don't actually reflect a choppers actual level of ability in my opinion and are heavily dependent on what forum their posting in. Because of the way the system works and the way people vote on a forum-to-forum basis, I see a few Pro Tuner choppers with average ratings that are higher than Elite artists, when those who are Elite are clearly better choppers. Whether this has an impact on the GRS I don't know, but if it does it might be influencing the number of points people receive and hence the validity of the system.

OK, rant over...

I'm just trying to offer some helpful suggestions, hopefully you'll take some on board. Mark, if you need any more ideas or further explanation of what I suggested I'm more than happy to help out

~ Klaus

i rate on the chop overall, not the showroom

There is a point to make that it is better to enter autemo as an already pro-chopper, than someone who enters as a novice, grows to elite and who will forever be suffering from the previous low ratings. That's something that really ought to be fixed.

actually klaus your ruining autemo idea's, im sure the chop ranking changes the global rankings on the profiles, which is to see the highest rated chops out there, which means your giving elite and hof chops 1-3 stars which means the elite choppers will be lowly ranked on global rankings and if we went your way klaus the nca choppers would be ranked the best choppers

imo i think people need to understand the plans and the voting/ranking system alot more, seems different people are rating on chops in different ways

Basically the system I described (the really complicated one that I talked about with weightings and averages) would have the same effect as a having people vote a chop based on which forum it as been posted. Because chops in New choppers generally receive lower votes than those in Elite or Advanced (that's just the way people vote at the moment) the scores for a chop in New Choppers have to be multiplied by a certain factor in order to achieve a system whereby voting is equal to those in Elite. Newbie choppers wouldn't be ranked the best, because the system is based on Elite chops. What I mean is a 6 in New Choppers might turn into a 9, and an 8 in intermediate choppers might turn into a 9 - in no way will Elite chops be put down to a 2 or 3 stars (unless of course that chop is so bad that it's given 2 or 3 stars even in the Elite forum ).

Now alternatively you could ask people to try to vote with respect to the forum they're posting in (as I said, a 9 might represent an excellent chop in comparison to other chops in that sub forum). But this could get a little messy with people forgetting which forum they're posting in, or just not understanding how to vote properly, which could affect the validity of the GRS. And that's why if Mark took this route he'd have to put in a pop-up or something like I explained, which could remind or inform the poster on how to vote and which forum they're posting in.

As you (Zero) explained quite correctly (and something that I forgot to explain before in my wall o' text ) if the scores were just left like this (with New choppers getting the same votes as Elite choppers) then surely the rankings of the less skilled choppers would be inflated because they're basically getting more votes for no reason. However, it would only disadvantage those Elite choppers if the system did not take into account that Elite choppers are much more skilled than New Choppers, and to fix this there would have to be a weighting factor again applied after the "standardised" score (which is the score after it's had the multiplication factor, or alternatively if the voting system is on a forum-to-forum basis). Obviously a 9 for a New Chopper shouldn't be the direct input into the GRS. The 9 must be multiplied by another factor (perhaps 0.2 for NCA, 0.4 for Inter, 0.6 for Pro, 0.8 for Advanced, 1 for Elite) and then put into the GRS. In effect this should have the same outcome as asking the Autemo members to vote as if there are no sub forums (so NCA would get 0.2-2 stars, Inter 0.4-4, Pro 0.6-6, etc.). This could be the chop rating that is used as a direct in put for the GRS or the ones that appear on the profile.

That brings up the question - "why should we even bother with all of this complicated maths if we can just ask the members to vote on a 1-10 basis?". Well the problem is how would you feel if your chops kept getting 1 or 2 stars out of 10? Yeah, probably pretty shit We need to foster our young newbies, not deter them

That's ramble no. 2 done and dusted. I hope I explained it a little better. Also I hope I don't sound like a douche... I just tend to have a smart arsey writing style

@ tuneR97


That is the dark side of a voting system...

I dont care about votes...
I dont care about promotes, caus it is only a hobby nothing more...

I care about people who are spamming and posting bullshit on someones thread..

Thats a much bigger problem to me...
Is there any Eula ? Autemo is also some kind of sozial network and
everybody should treat anybody fair. If there is any thread, which isnt
that interesting... dont answer, before writing bullshit ..... That isnt
the sense of a Forum and community like this.....

Respect and dont hide behind the anonymious facade.